harry partridge interview about his animation, flash vs toonboom, youtube vs newgrounds, internet controversy and more on episode 121 of the RubberOnion Animation Podcast with Stephen Brooks and Rob Yulfo This week we have a very special interview with animator Harry Partridge (see below for a small selection of his works). We talk about YouTube comments, using Flash and ToonBoom, how following his own path helped him find success, money and "batboobs." We had so much fun recording this episode and I think there's a lot here for new and experienced Indie animators to learn from... so enjoy the show!

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Topics & Timestamps:

(3:50) Flash & ToonBoom
(7:30) Where you learned animation
(13:48) With Animation You Can
(16:36) Go Animate
(19:15) YouTube & Twitter comments
(24:38) Social Issues & the changing landscape
(26:52) Rifftrax
(32:32) YouTube copyright and recent changes
(35:30) Talking Money and that CartoonBrew post
(42:38) Lamont Wayne: "YouTube's changes in their policies and compensation and how that's affected him and the other Newgrounds animators."
(46:18) Alex Dudley: "A lot of animators have found great success in making fan animations and parodies. What does one need to do to get their original creations a chance to reach that same success, or is it even possible at this point?"
(48:53) Christian Kelly: "Do you ever feel bad that there is so much art to appreciate with all the time and hard work put into it but, not enough time to appreciate it all?"
(51:02) Joel Townsend: "Your song about animation, you said you wanted to make movies but you turned to animation instead. Is that really true? How old were you when you made that switch?"
(53:45) Ronald Chaparro: "Starbarian update?"
(55:42) James T Nethery: "how does Harry stay sane when his fans are constantly bothering him over social media about when the next cartoon will come out? Does that push him to animate faster or does he ignore it and keep going at the same pace he always does?"
(1:01:24) Sam Albro: "How does he balance his level of polish with the demands of the online audience?"
(1:05:42) Alex Harvey: "What's your view on the 2D feature animation climate? Do you think that it could make a successful comeback, with both Brad Bird and Laika's Travis Knight mentioning that their interested in doing 2D features, and now the Dragon's Lair campaign? Would you want to ever make a 2D animated feature? Also, please can you send him a big hello from everyone on the Animation BA course here at UCA Farnham for me! ;D"
(1:09:99) Alex Fox: "When the next few episodes of Starbarians are finally completed and released will you release a Kickstarter or Patreon as you've kinda mentioned about it on Newgrounds?"
(1:12:52) Sam Freeman: "What would you say to your old university tutors now that you have more recognition in the animation community then they do?"

 

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anomalisa movie review by stephen brooks on rubberonion animation plus a podcast episode I just got to see Anomalisa. I phrase it that way because it does feel a little bit like I have been given some sort of exclusive golden ticket, and not just because the film has a limited theater run at the moment - it was special.

This segment was used in episode #120 of the RubberOnion Animation Podcast (click to listen to the entire episode)

HOW IT STARTED

Anomalisa started as a live-performance "sound play"; like a radio play but on stage. The actors read their lines in real time, a foley artist created sound fx in real time, all while the musician (Carter Burwell) played in real time. It wasn't intended to be recorded or preserved film. As writer/director Charlie Kaufman put it "we performed it twice in 2005... and then it was over... I liked that it was ephemeral."

It was Dino Stamatopoulos, a friend of Kaufman's, who saw the play being performed at UCLA and asked if he could make it into a movie. You'll know Dino as the founder of Animation Studio Starburns Industries (Rick & Morty, and many more), writer (and more) on the new Netflix show W Bob & David, and he was (clearly) the character of "Starburns" on Community.

Kaufman reluctantly agreed, stipulating that Dino had to raise the money (never thinking that it would happen). Enter the Kickstarter campaign which raised $406,237 from over 5,000 backers to produce a 40 minute short. Well that success led to Starburns Industries securing more funding and turning it into a feature length film with an ultimate budget of $8mil.

STORY, and my critical dilemma

It's written by Charlie Kaufman. That, right there, should say a lot. This has been said a lot about the man over the years but it's very rare that an auteur, when referring to film, is the writer. Charlie Kaufman is an auteur. Understand that while he is billed as one of two directors, the direction as far as the visuals are concerned is Duke Johnson.

Here's the problem, I feel like too much is being given away about the plot in reviews. I'm not saying that in the modern "no spoilers" tone where you're not allowed to say anything about any movie without getting scolded. What I'm saying is that the film itself is a very subtle exploration of a mundane rut in someone's life so it doesn't naturally lend itself to many significant reveals. The few plot turns which are there... are significant.

I really feel like this movie is best enjoyed if you know absolutely nothing and let the filmmakers take you through it all... so if you trust me that much, just go watch it!

But if you want to know a little more, there are a few things I want to bring up.

  1. The main character, Michael Stone (voiced by David Thewlis, who also played Remus Lupin from the Harry Potter series) stays in a hotel called "The Fregoli." Even the sound play was written under the pseudonym Francis Fregoli which references the Fregoli delusion which is "a rare disorder in which a person holds a delusional belief that different people are in fact a single person who changes appearance."
  2. Michael is a customer service guru who wrote a book and gives talks at conferences.
  3. Everyone except for Michael and a woman he meets at the conference, Lisa (voiced by Jennifer Jason Leigh), are voiced by the same actor: Tom Noonan (who fans of Last Action Hero might remember as the film villain, Ripper)
  4. The film is set in Cincinnati, Ohio in 2005.

There's a reason I picked these four to pick out and tell you: they directly relate to the animation. To be more precise, they perfectly encapsulate why I think this film with its generic, work-a-day setting should be a hyper realistic animated stop-mo film.

ANIMATION, or did this really need to be animated?

Yes. Here's why:

Ok first up, the fact that the main character sees everyone as the same person and is also customer service guru is a great touch. But more important is the ability to marry the visuals of 3D printed stop-mo puppets and their interchangeable features to the world that this man is living in.

Everything supports the mundane. No offence to my Cincinnati fans out there... I dig your chili (and the fact that it and the zoo are constantly being brought up as 'things to do' while he's visiting is a fun running gag), but Ohio is kind of the perfect place to set a movie like this. The every-state, state.

Just as every character but the two mains is played by the same actor (Tom Noonan), all their character designs are made of the same puppet parts... like a high-end Mr. Potato Heads.

There are couple excellent moments for animation fans in the film. I don't want to ruin it other than to say that the design choice isn't just aesthetic, but in true Kaufman fashion there is some 4th wall busting moments with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AILnP1Y-0o

The acting is very subtle. Aside from The Tale of The Princess Kaguya (though maybe more so) this has probably the most subtle acting performances I've seen in an animated feature. I would be fascinated to find out what challenges that presented to the animators because the motions are deliberate while still seemingly spontaneous. There's a particular sequence I noted where Lisa falls down in the hallway and Michael runs up to her as maybe the most true-to-life stop-mo run I've ever seen.

The lighting is especially fantastic in the "date" scenes with Michael and Lisa. And sidenote: yes Anomalisa has something to do with her name, and no I'm not telling you what it is. If you haven't figured it out on your own it's better that the film tells you.

THE SEX SCENE, or "yes, that one"

Yes there is a sex scene. Yes there is nudity. Yes there are explicit acts performed.

But I've read in other reviews words like "filthy" and "raunchy" and it is definitely neither of those. It plays very real, and by real I don't mean just the physical act. I mean that the moment is full of interplay which reinforces the characters and their dynamic in real-time. There's communication, mood breaks, awkward advances and retreats, and all these other intricacies that aren't in other scenes like this.

I know that not everyone checks their watch to note the pacing of a film, but if you want to know perfect editing... note what happens at exactly the 60 minute mark of the film. Not so incidentally, Garret Elkins is nominated for Best Editing at the Annies this year.

SO WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL?

I know, this sounds a little heady and boring and you're right. The fact is, it's very hard to communicate this film without discussing it line-by-line which I refuse to do. Just understand that this is the first R-rated animated film to be nominated for an Academy Award for BEST ANIMATED FEATURE. That should speak volumes right there.

The fact of the matter is that we don't get films like this very often but I'm seeing it more and more these days in the animated medium, whether it be stop-mo, computer-modeled, or hand-drawn.

TL;DR This is an R-rated, introspective, critically-praised, independent animated feature film which started its funding with a successful online crowdfunding campaign and ended up getting nominated for Best Animated Feature Oscar... that is special.

Go watch it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQkHA3fHk_0  

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SEGMENT EPISODE! After such a long break from these you get 2 in a row, how about that! The theme this week is the broad range of animation and that means quality, quantity, and future projections! We talk about some animation news, answer an Audience Question, of course hit up some Rapid Fire segments, and I (Stephen) review Anomalisa on this episode while the written version and the segment by itself will be up tomorrow! We also have a talkback moment about Deadpool since I saw it last week and I make Rob jealous with my gloating. Finally, I want to give a shoutout to Mukpuddy who saw their new series "Barefoot Bandits" premiere this week, so congrats on that! Click the link on their name to check out the interview we did with them.

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Topics & Timestamps:

(3:05) "How You Doin"
(6:05) Deadpool Talkback
(13:39) Mukpuddy's "Barefoot Bandits" premiere shoutout
(15:17) Animation News of the Week...
(52:12) Preview: Next week's episode 121 "Harry Partridge Interview"
(55:17) Review: Anomalisa
(1:16:17) Audience Question: "I often wondered if there were any cartoons that didn't have an interesting storyline, because the artists involved just put scenes in it that were interesting and challenging to draw/animate, but didn't turn out to be fun for an audience to actually watch?" ~Benjamin Shelley

 

Media Referenced During this Episode:

"Beat Bugs" trailer (24:49)

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fine brothers try to trademark react and makes youtube angry, trailers for kubo and the two strings and robert valley's pear cider and cigarettes kickstarter on episode 119 of the rubberonion animation podcast with stephen brooks and rob yulfo

SEGMENT EPISODE! It has been 2 full months since our last one of these so if you don't remember, these are explicit episodes... thar be swears! And there's kind of a lot to swear about. The Fine Brothers really pissed off the internet last week when they tried to trademark "React" for title use, and Marvel yanked fanimation series "X-Men: Danger Room Protocols." On the fun side, Robert Valley finished animation on his animated short film "Pear Cider and Cigarettes" and is using Kickstarted to finish post-production, but what we've seen so far looks awesome. We talk about all the trailers we missed in our time away from animation news discussion, our first animation battle has concluded and was awesome, and we return for RAPID FIRE! Enjoy the show  

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Topics & Timestamps:

(13:45) Trailer Talk...
(14:03) PeeWee on Netflix
(20:48) Secret Life of Pets trailer #2
(29:07) DreamWorks' Trolls
(32:47) Kubo and the Two Strings
(40:56) Animation News of the Week...
(41:06) Robert Valley's Pear Cider and Cigarettes
(45:45) X-Men: Danger Room Protocols
(57:08) Fine Brothers piss off the internet
(1:18:27) Audience Question
(1:25:11) #RubberOnionBattle Jan 2016
(1:34:09) Rapid Fire!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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freelance school rubberonion animation podcast year four grow your business

Here it is... the final part in the RubberOnion Freelance School and we're talking about the likely goal in your third year: growing your business. Everyone starts this journey for different reasons, but independence is usually high up on that list. So what happens when you get to that point that you've gotten into the freelance game, you've established your brand, you started making some more money, and now you're up against a production wall - you just don't have enough ours in the day to progress any farther by yourself... you grow your business! This episode covers when to hire-out, which types of jobs to hire for and how to adjust your quote price for a team, the option of connecting with other Freelancers, contracts and the benefits of a virtual studio. Become a Patron on my Patreon page to get the more detailed ebook in February on starting a freelance business.

And don't forget to check out the companion blog post with this podcast to read a more structured write-up on what to expect in your third year of being a Freelancer!

Listen for Hollywood Jack 'n the Beanstalk, speedbumps and potholes, and "thumb or finger?"

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Topics & Timestamps:

(7:33) Why growing your business is different than making more money
(11:52) The tree analogy
(14:41) Hire other people
(19:01) How to know when to hire
(32:19) Types of hires: small tasks
(39:38) Types of hires: medium & large tasks
(43:47) Being a "virtual studio"
(46:43) Forming a cooperative relationship with other Freelancers
(48:34) The mental block which prevents you from hiring others
(52:38) About alternative revenue streams
(54:40) About taxes
(56:09) About contracts
(1:01:02) How to adjust your price to accomodate more people/hires

 

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